It's Jungian synchronicity at its finest. The deadly dimensions over London have been sealed, and the monsters have departed. They don't look the same. but I was conscious of a distinct impression that its contour and position were not altogether the work of Nature, When one of these Bas-reliefs is found later in CoC, reading chronologically would make you recall the mysterious sculptures of dagon, In dagon, we do not see the god they speak of but the narrator immediately runs after seeing one of its followers. If Dagon truly is a Great Old One, he should be immune to almost all conventional forms of harm. Dagon is the demon lord of deformity, the sea, and sea monsters. Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn—. But word has come to Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson of a more terrifying creature still—the great Cthulhu has been sighted off the waters of Innsmouth, Massachusetts. See more ideas about cthulhu mythos, lovecraftian, cthulhu. Lovecraft, this is your stop for all of his outstanding works and weird fiction in general! From Wikipedia and needing no further introductory annotation, I believe: Robert M. Price suggests that readers of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" may be mistaken as to the identity of the "Dagon" worshipped by that story's Deep Ones: in contrast to the Old Ones' alien-sounding names, "the name 'Dagon' is a direct borrowing from familiar sources, and implies that [Obed] Marsh and his confederates had chosen the closest biblical analogy to the real object of worship of the deep ones, namely Great Cthulhu.". Dagon is absolutely colossal, described as towering over 30 stories high (an average of 330 feet/100.584 meters). Lovecraft's influential horror short story "Dagon". His ideas about the mythos are worse than Derleth, yet at least Derleth never put super preachy lectures in his anthologies. Dagon and Hydra available in three finishes: - … He has seen Bas-reliefs with a similarly strange geometry to the one later found in Call of Cthulhu. As for this, the ancient Near East was a mixing pot of several overlapping cultures and linguistic families (after all, we're talking about a period of several millennia). Where earlier, the Order is shown to specifically use Sumerian (edit: or, um...Babylonian? All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. His race is called the “Great Old Ones” or simply “Old Ones” in that story, but note that the term “Old Ones” is used elsewhere in Lovecraft’s writings to refer to various other things. Dagon, mainly the fish-god version, appears often in popular culture, most notably H.P. You don't reign the seas anymore.” Vs. VS Battles Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. He is worshiped by the Esoteric Order of Dagon, a secret cult based in Innsmouth. Inside of it, all of existence was created by a mindless, questionable omnipotentbeing named Azathoth who sleeps at the center of creation. Likewise, using the name "Dagon" would consciously be a reflection of occultism, but thereby implicity a reflection of the OT, and thereby, implicity a reflection of ancient Levantine-Semitic religion. This appears to be the basis for the D&D Dagon. So Price's facts to support that theory are? I don't know why the text gave me that impression. However it seems this year that Cthulhu has dispensed with party politics and is looking to shake up his ticket. It is interesting, I had always considered them one In the same, Dagon being the closest approximation that could be gleamed from the characters madness. At a very advanced age, some Deep Ones reach enormous sizes. Isn't Dagon described as like, the high priest for cthulhu? The origin of Dagon is rather ambiguous and it is never clearly stated if he is a Great Old One (like Cthulhu) or simply a large and very powerful Deep One. Problem is, he never dies and eventually I go insane and lose. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Wudn’t bother no strangers as might bear tales aoutside—that is, withaout they got pryin’. In all likelihood, the "miles high" description is based on the dreamer seeing not an accurate representation of Cthulhu, but a SYMBOL representing him. The commonly accepted answer is: No, Dagon and Cthulhu are not one and the same. They are, in fact, entirely corporeal beings whose great age contributes to their massive size. Dagon (released in Spain as Dagon: La Secta del Mar) is a 2001 Spanish horror film directed by Stuart Gordon and written by Dennis Paoli.Despite the title, it is based on H. P. Lovecraft's novella The Shadow Over Innsmouth rather than his earlier short story "Dagon" (1919).The film takes place in "Imboca", a Spanish adaptation of "Innsmouth". Tier: Unknown. Plus an Esoteric Order of Dagon drawstring bag and a detailed map of Innsmouth! My mind blanks, it's sort of early for me) myths as an analog: [...]. A god I believe HP lovecraft had in mind, but did not yet want to reveal, remember Lovecraft defined the trope of making monsters scary by not showing them, He did not get the name Dagon from the temple but from ancient history, it was his best guess. Of course, Lovecraft could not have known that when he wrote the story, which makes it all even more intriguing. Dagon is made of normal flesh, whereas Cthulhu is a kind of gelatenous mass that bursts into gas when struck, and then reforms. Tho star level and mftl+ is a pain for any other hst character to think about competing with. Is Dagon ever described therein? Robert M. Price is wrong. The Esoteric Order of Dagon (also known as the Order of Dagon, or simply the Order) is a cult dedicated to the worshipping of Dagon - hence it's name - based in Insmouth. Here's a point that I can stress with another quote, although I've arrived at its reasoning independently: Nor is it likely that Lovecraft intends "Dagon" to be the name used by the deity's nonhuman worshippers; as Robert M. Price points out, "When Lovecraft wanted to convey something like the indigenous name of one of the Old Ones, he coined some unpronounceable jumble". Dedicated to the works of H.P. He did not see dagon, but rather a Deep one praying to his god. Then, with the added bit that the Deep Ones do worship Cthulhu, it still remains speculation, but I don't think Price is necessarily wrong. Range: At least several hundred meters by virtue of sheer size. Belial and Beelzebub are both arguably "Jewish", in that their particular names are mentioned in the OT, but the etymology in both cases is generally Levantine-Semitic: "baal" (bel, beel) means "ruler" or deity. If he is truly is a Great Old One, as he would most likely be comparable to Cthulhu, who is seen as a lesser Great Old One), Speed: At least Superhuman+ (Rose to the surface of the water and darted up and around a monolith before a man could even comprehend what was going on), likely Massively FTL+ (Likely far superior to the Deep Ones' servitor, the Shoggoth's), Lifting Strength: At least Class G via sheer size, likely far higher (Implied to have raised a large island up from the bottom of the ocean to the water's surface), Durability: Unknown (Able to move swiftly on the bottom of the ocean despite its enormous mass. Without looking it up, I believe Ashtoreth is Astarte, both of which are Greek names for the Akkadian or Babylonian goddess Ishtar, which in turn is the adaption of the much older Sumerian Innana. "Alpha Deep One" is also an interesting description. I think it's very unlikely that whatever the name "Dagon" refers to would actually be the personal name (by which it is known to itself and its piscine worshippers) of the entity. This set includes both the Idol of Father Dagon, Idol of Mother Hydra and the Miskatonic Cthulhu Idol. The Superhero Database Classification number, or SHDB Class, is a number that represents the overall 'power' of a character. Of course, that does not mean that Lovecraft would have thought of that and would not have intended it to be the entity's "culture-neutral" name. I like what you've done to your hair, makes you look stylish.” Vs. Poseidon - “Your time is gone, old man. Seems like a bug, has anyone encountered this before or know of a workaround? Their task: to bring about the end of humankind, and begin the realm of nightmares on Earth. Dagon is also known as the Shadow in the Sea. Penniless, and at the end of my supply of the drug which alone makes life endurable, I can bear the torture no longer; and shall cast myself from this garret window into the squalid street below. And Moriarty will do anything to get his hands on gold, even if it means tearing down the walls between this world and a realm of horrors. Cthulhu is said to be 'a gigantic thing 'miles high'. Eventually, Jack fights and sneaks his way out of Innsmouth, alerting the FBI, Coast Guard, and … Dagon is never physically described at all. The text does not give any description of Dagon, but this mental image is something most readers arrive at. Dagon is a major antagonist in Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, serving as the overarching antagonist of Season 3. The Deep Ones are a race of intelligent ocean-dwelling creatures, approximately human-shaped but with a fishy appearance. I'm not sure if they ever describe Mother Hydra, though, at least in Lovecraft's own stories. Let's look at some things. Because of his abnormal size and aloof nature, it is unknown whether Dagon is simply a gargantuan Deep One who acts as father of his race, or if he is actually a Great Old One similar to Cthulhu. The third novel in six-time New York Times best-selling author Lois H. Gresh’s Sherlock Holmes vs. Cthulhu series. To spin the thread on, current scholarship holds that Dagon was not actually originally imagined as fish-like in the Levant, but rather that he was a deity of grain and perhaps rain. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Iä! Often called "Father Dagon" by his followers, he and Mother Hydra rule over the mysterious aquatic race, working towards unknown goals. Dagon, also known as Father Dagon, is a creature which appears in the H.P. In the game, he appears to have a higher following than Hydra, and has his own cult named "Esoteric Order of Dagon" who are the primary rulers of Innsmouth and main antagonists to Jack Walters (the player character) for the first half of the game. The Deep Ones are creatures in the Cthulhu Mythos of H. P. Lovecraft. It's a problem many people fail to acknowledge. Also known as Father Dagon, he is possibly a Great Old One and the consort of Mother Hydra. At least we can agree (barring any sudden revelations in future posts) that it cannot be refuted that they are identical. The Cthulhu Mythos (Originally referred to as Yog-Sothothery) refers to a collection of artificial mythology created by H. P. Lovecraft. Just in case "Cthulhu" is really derived from "Kullulu", the etymological problem becomes a little more gripping, however, because the etymology of "kullulu" is also very clearly Babylonian, and not derived from any external source. THE OBLITERATING SHADOW The deadly dimensions over London have been sealed, and the monsters have departed. That means that whatever "Dagon" is, it is a maritime entity who would logically, in other contexts, be known under another, more exotic name and is worshipped by the Deep Ones. Vast, Polyphemus-like, and loathsome, it darted like a stupendous monster of nightmares to the monolith, about which it flung its gigantic scaly arms, the while it bowed its hideous head and gave vent to certain measured sounds. Dagon himself appears to be based on the Dagon from H.P. Just not confirmable as correct. A grotesque humanoid over fifty feet tall, Dagon resembles an enormously oversized Deep One with a fish like face, flapping gills and a scaled, slimy hide. Eminence Waite clarified, “Of course we are looking for a new vice presidential candidate. This appears to be the basis for the D&D Dagon. The final part of the Sherlock Holmes vs. Cthulhu trilogy sees the titular detective leave London and travel across the Atlantic to face the Order of Dagon on their home turf, the town of Innsmouth. But I think it's obvious that Lovecraft did think in these linguistic categories. Probably the worst thing about the Cthulhu mythos is Robert M. Price. The third novel in six-time New York Times best-selling author Lois H. Gresh’s Sherlock Holmes vs. Cthulhu series. I have watched videos on youtube for this part, and he only gets shot 3-4 times with the cannon before dying. The second novel in Lois H. Gresh’s Sherlock Holmes vs. Cthulhu series Amelia Scarcliffe’s monstrous brood, harbingers of Cthulhu, will soon spawn. Where earlier, the Order is shown to specifically use Sumerian (edit: or, um...Babylonian? So I made it through the ship to the boss fight with (I assume) Dagon. Jul 31, 2017 - Explore Jake VanHuss's board "Dagon" on Pinterest. Do not think from my slavery to morphine that I am a weakling or a degenerate. My mind blanks, it's sort of early for me) myths as an analog: I was a mighty little critter, but I heerd what I heerd an’ seen what I seen—Dagon an’ Ashtoreth—Belial an’ Beëlzebub—Golden Caff an’ the idols o’ Canaan an’ the Philistines—Babylonish abominations—Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin—. Where does all this information on Dagon come from? We get a description of a statue and a anthropomorphic fish-entity, neither of which we can say with any certainty to be the eponymous entity of the title. The Philistines were supposedly Indo-Europeans... well, all in all, we can say that Biblical and Near-Eastern analogy features strongly, but I believe that it would be more fruitful to look at them as generic "occult" analogies, which only happen to be Near Eastern because western occultism is largely derived from the OT, in which these characters feature as forces of evil. I've always thought of Dagon more as iguana-fish-like and Cthulhu as more squid-like. That aside, though, I believe that it is very unlikely that "Dagon" was the name that people would have called this maritime entity before Biblical authors made "Dagon" the name of a fish-god. There is fossil evidence that the oldest, largest of these beings reached sizes of over 50 feet in height. There is no relationship between them, other than that they both sprang from the same place in Lovecraft's imagination. (Think Cthulhu). Cthulhu fhtagn! But Dagon is much smaller than Cthulhu. All in the band of the faithful—Order o’ Dagon—an’ the children shud never die, but go back to the Mother Hydra an’ Father Dagon what we all come from onct—Iä! Soul King/Yhwach can prolly beat the weaker advanced alien races, as their abilities aren't exactly elaborated on. Lovecraft's short stories which subsequently lead to the popular image of Dagon. Dagon has been paired with Cthulhu for years on the Elder Party ticket for several decades. The creature in the story Dagon is not stated to be Dagon himself; I always assume that it's one of Dagon's worshippers. Press J to jump to the feed. Possible Great Old One, Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Control over aquatic life, Immortality (Type 1, possibly Type 3 & 4 as well if he truly is a Great Old One), Large Size (Type 2), Attack Potency: Unknown (Seemingly at least comparable in size to a large whale. I actually really like this theory, OP. Dagon vs Empty Hand. Lovecraft-inspired Cthulhu Mythos. Age: Thousands upon thousands of years old. Throughout the ages though, Dagon gathered a large following, ultimately being worshipped by many Oceanic tribes, such a… The third novel in 6 times New York Times bestselling author Lois H. Gresh’s Sherlock Holmes vs. Cthulhu series. The Obliterating Shadow The deadly dimensions over London have been sealed, and the monsters have departed. Deities were transferred from one language family into another. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, one of those thousand other forms you hear about. Presumably you are referring to the short story "Dagon". Any: Use Tsunami to drive your enemies from their gates, and The Innsmouth Look for a HUGE power boost! But yeah, if you take the fact that Dagon was written early in Lovecraft's career before the Mythos was fleshed out, then it can be seen as precursor, a proto-ideal of Cthulhu. However and as far as I can recall, Dagon is never described as having wings or tentacles on its face. Dagon is made of normal flesh, whereas Cthulhu is a kind of gelatenous mass that bursts into gas when struck, and then reforms. Presumably because so much of the material associated with Dagon does already depict him as fish-like. He is an extra-dimensional demonic entity who took a form of a dragon during medieval times. Take my summary with a grain of salt, but I believe that currently, scholars hold that the attribution of fish-like qualities happened later, due to a Biblical conflation with another entity, of Babylonian derision - which was called Kullulu(!!). Robert M. Price is wrong. Both stories have the island rising from the ocean, bearing a gigantic alien monster, and then sinking back under the waves. His unholy symbol is a gold disk inscribed with sinister runes around an open octopus eye. ... and it’s not unusual to find priests of Dagon and Cthulhu working side by side in a community. But word has come to Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson of a more terrifying creature still - the great Cthulhu has been sighted off the waters of Innsmouth, Massachusetts. Vs. Cthulhu - “Oh, brother. and in "Dagon", the reference to Dagon is pretty vague as a fish/sea god that was misapplied: Once I sought out a celebrated ethnologist, and amused him with peculiar questions regarding the ancient Philistine legend of Dagon, the Fish-God; but soon perceiving that he was hopelessly conventional, I did not press my inquiries. They regularly mate with humans along the coast, creating societies of … The deepest ocean waters are only about 2 miles down, so Cthulhu, were he truly "miles high", could simply wade into any of them. Used to far greater pressure than exposed to at surface level. Vilgax (Power Of The Dagon) vs Dagon. The etymology of the name is Levantine, Sumerian, something of the sort, and not derived from some unknown, external source. Dagon is frog-like or fish-like, whereas Cthulhu is a fat humanoid with tentacles on his face and wings. He also appears as the main antagonist in "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of The Earth". Well, the one reference to Father Dagon in the story does have an immediate reference to Cthulhu afterward: Yield up enough sacrifices an’ savage knick-knacks an’ harbourage in the taown when they wanted it, an’ they’d let well enough alone. The Cthulhi (also known as the "star-spawn of Cthulhu" and as Xothians) are a species that have a physical similarity with the Great Old One Cthulhu, but are of far smaller size. He is first introduced in Lovecraft's short story Dagon, and is mentioned extensively throughout the mythos. It has its headquarters in the old Masonic Hall which, by Jack's words is the only building in Innsmouth that does not look like it is about to collapse. The story "Dagon" is a kind of dry run for the "Call of Cthulhu". The third novel in 6 times New York Times best-selling author Lois H. Gresh's Sherlock Holmes vs. Cthulhu series. Cthulhu belongs to an alien race that “came to the young world out of the sky”. Also, he probably wouldn't have noticed the sailors when he woke up, let alone eaten a bunch of them. Such individuals engender the Cult of Dagon, who worship these creatures as deities. Great Cthulhu: With 6 Combat in water, Dagon is a huge boost to Cthulhu's submersible army.Use Tsunami to wash cultists into the ocean where Cthulhu can unsubmerge and battle / capture. No, Dagon is just the alpha Deep One. Jan 5, 2021 - Everything a new member of the Esoteric Order of Dagon needs! But word has come to Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson of a more terrifying creature still - the great Cthulhu has been sighted off the waters of Innsmouth, Massachusetts. Dagon is a deity who presides over the Deep Ones, an amphibious humanoid race indigenous to Earth's oceans. Yeah i think Dagon and Old Squidface are mates. Later, when the Call of Cthulhu happens we find a great parallel where it is revealed this god is not just some "Philistine fish-god" but the monstrosity we now love beyond sanity, perhaps it would be best to let some things lie unknown. Again, let me quote: The creature that appears in the story is often identified with the deity Dagon, but the creature is not identified by that name in the story "Dagon", and seems to be depicted as a typical member of his species, a worshipper rather than an object of worship. Please note, that everything that is not made by H. P. Love… Dagon is absolutely colossal, described as towering over 30 stories high (an average of 330 feet/100.584 meters). He Bo - “Hah! However, his status as such is debatable.). Superhero Class. It may take some liberties with the source material, but Dagon feels like a Lovecraft movie through and through. Dagon By H. P. Lovecraft: I am writing this under an appreciable mental strain, since by tonight I shall be no more. They don't look the same. Penniless, and at the end of my supply of the drug which alone makes life endurable, I can bear the torture no longer; and shall cast myself from this garret window into the squalid street below. Nor is it likely that Lovecraft intends "Dagon" to be the name used by the deity's nonhuman worshippers [...]. I have shot him up to 7 times and he still comes back. Dagon is not Cthulhu. Powers and Stats. Dagon is frog-like or fish-like, whereas Cthulhu is a fat humanoid with tentacles on his face and wings. I am writing this under an appreciable mental strain, since by tonight I shall be no more. Her songs spell insanity, death … and illimitable wealth. The beings first appeared in Lovecraft's novella The Shadow Over Innsmouth, but were already hinted at in the early short story "Dagon". Father Dagon Strategies [edit | edit source]. With only a slight churning to mark its rise to the surface, the thing slid into view above the dark waters. ... Amelia Scarcliffe and Maria Fitzgerald, harbingers of Dagon, who have called forth Cthulhu. Saitama & Genos vs Dagon & Cthulhu. He's just basically a giant deep one himself I thought. The Elder Scrolls metaphysics & philosophy, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dagon_(Cthulhu_Mythos)?oldid=7004032. Dagon vs Ultimate Way Big. The most notable character from the series is Cthulhu, and the most notable story is "The Call of Cthulhu". Propnomicon focuses on horror and fantasy props of interest to fans of H. P. Lovecraft and players of the "Call of Cthulhu" role playing game. In literary criticism (and this comes from a literature researcher; I'm not biased against it), many people don't derive theories from facts in the text, but sadly make up theories and then LOOK FOR facts in the text with which they can weakly support their theories. Classification: Enormous Deep One. Because of his abnormal size and aloof nature, it is unknown whether Dagon is simply a gargantuan Deep One who acts as father of his race, or if he is actually a Great Old One similar to Cthulhu. However when a being presumed to be Cthulhu shows up, he's small enough that a steamboat can plow through his head, and he's afraid to follow it into deep water. I think I went mad then. Name: Dagon I think it's my new headcanon. It is also unclear whether he is native to Earth or was he along other Deep Ones part of the invasion force that came to Earth alongside Cthulhu and his Star Spawn. 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